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Conkeror in the Debian NEW queue //at 22:57 //by abe

from the Never-trust-a-dot-zero-release dept.

I already mentioned a few times in the blog that I’m working on a Debian package of the Conkeror web browser. And now, after a lot of fine-tuning (and I still further new ideas how to improve the package ;-) Conkeror is finally in the NEW queue and hopefully will hit unstable in a few days. (Update Thursday, 03-Jul-2008, 18:13 CEST: The package has been accepted by Jörg and should be included on most architectures in tonight’s updates.)

Those who could hardly await it can fetch Conkeror .debs from The conkeror package itself is a non-architecture specific package (but needs xulrunner-1.9 to be available), and its small C-written helper program spawn-process-helper is available as package conkeror-spawn-process-helper for i386, amd64, sparc, alpha, powerpc, kfreebsd-i386 and kfreebsd-amd64. There are no backported packages for Etch available, though, since I don’t know of anyone yet, who has successfully backported xulrunner-1.9 to Etch.

Interestingly the interest in Conkeror seems to have risen in the Debian community independently of its Debian packaging. Luca Capello, who sponsored the upload of my Conkeror package, pointed me to two blog post on Planet Debian, written by people being fed up with Firefox 3 already and are looking for a more lean, but still Gecko based web browser: Decklin Foster is fed up with Firefox’ -eh- Iceweasel’s arrogance and MJ Ray is fed up with Firefox 3 and its SSL problems.

Since my previously favourited Gecko based web browser Kazehakase never became really stable but instead became slow and leaking memory (and therefore not much better than Firefox 2), I can imagine that it’s no more an candidate for people seaking for a lean and fast web browser.

Conkeror has some “strange” concepts of which the primary one is that it looks and feels like Emacs:

  • The current location is shown in a status bar below the website, where Emacs usually shows buffer names. All input, even entering new URLs to go to, is done via the mini-buffer, an input line below the status bar.

  • Instead of tabs it uses Emacs’ concept of buffers. So no tab bar clutter and though easy access to all currently open pages.

  • It has no buttons, menu-bar or such. And except the status bar and mini-buffer, it uses the whole size of the window for the displayed web page. This is the main reason why I prefer Conkeror on the 7” EeePC: I don’t want to waste any pixels for buttons or menu bars and still have a fully functional web browser.

  • It of course has Emacs alike keybindings (with a slight touch of Lynx). While this may seem awkward for the vi world (Hey, they have the vimperator*, also in Debian since a few days!), as an Emacs user you just have to remember that you web browser now also expects to be treated like an Emacs. It just works:

    C-x C-c
    Exit Emacs -eh- Conkeror
    C-x C-f
    Open File -eh- web page in new buffer
    C-x C-b
    Change to some other tab -eh- buffer
    C-x C-v
    Replace web page in this buffer and use the current URL as start for entering the new one
    C-x 5 2
    Open new frame -eh- window
    C-x 5 0
    Close current frame -eh- window
    C-x k
    Close tab, -eh- kill buffer
    C-h i
    Incremental search forward
    Incremental search backward
    Go back (Think info-mode)
    Go to (Open web page in this buffer)

    (Hehe, I like the faces of vi users having read these keybindings and now wondering how to remember them. SCNR. Well, sometimes vi key bindings are a mystery to me, too. :-)

    There are of course many more and nearly all are the same as in Emacs, even the universal argument C-u and the M-x command-line are there. E.g. C-u g lets you open a web page in a new buffer, too.

  • Conkeror also has very promising concept for following and copying links with the keyboard only. Opera is very inefficient here since you have to jump from link to link to get to the one you want. In Conkeror you just press f for following or c for copying links and then all links on the currently shown part of the page show a small number attached to it. Then you just enter the number (and additionally press enter if the number is ambigous) and the link is either opened or copied to the clipboard.

    A funny anecdote about how this concept grew over the time: Early versions of Conkeror (back in the days when it just was a Firefox externsion as vimperator) numbered all links on the page, not only the visible ones. On large pages with many links or buttons (e.g. my blog ;-), this took minutes to complete. The idea to just number the visible links is so simple and important – but someone first needed to have it. :-)


*) I just noticed that there is now also muttator, making Thunderbird look and behave like vim (and probably also mutt), too. Wonder into which e-mail client the Emacs community will convert Thunderbird. GNUS? RMAIL? VM? Wanderslust? What will it be called? Wunderbird? Thunderslust? (SCNRE ;-)

Daily Snapshot .debs of Conkeror //at 22:57 //by abe

from the development-tracking-using-APT dept.

Keeping track with packaging software which is under heavy development can be time-consuming. I noticed this while packaging Conkeror, because there was quite a demand for up-to-date packages, especially from upstream themself.

So recently on the IRC channel #conkeror the idea of automatically built Debian packages came up. After a few hours of experimenting and a few days of steadily optimizing, I can proudly present daily built snapshot packages of Conkeror for currently Lenny and Sid, ready to be included in your sources.list:

deb lenny main
deb-src lenny main

deb sid main
deb-src sid main

The binary package conkeror-spawn-process-helper is currently only built for the i386 architecture, but other architectures may follow.

The packages probably work also on any other Debian based distribution (e.g. Ubuntu) which includes XULRunner version 1.9.

Surely they are not of the usual Debian quality, but they should do it for staying up-to-date with the Conkeror development just by using your favourite APT frontend.

The script which generates those packages is also available in the Conkeror git repository at

The APTable archive is generated with reprepro. Packages and the repository are signed with the passphrase-less GnuPG key 373B76B4 which is used only for the Conkeror nightly builds. (If anyone knows a better solution for automatic builds than a passphrase-less key, please tell me. :-)

P.S.: I really like the new keybindings “<<”, “>>” and “G”. :-)

The World without a sage web browser? — or — Why Firefox sucks //at 22:57 //by abe

from the all-browsers-suck-this-one-just-sucks-less dept.

Although I read our Debian’s Joey’s blog posting about not being able to produce Mozilla security updates for Debian, only now, after reading about other Debian’s Joey’s try to fix a security hole in Debian’s Mozilla Firefox, I see how asshole-like the Mozilla Foundation’s security policy looks to Linux (and maybe other operating system’s) distributions, who favour stableness over feature richness.

As many know (or at least were forced to know ;-) I don’t like Firefox, because in spite of all the plugins it can’t cope with all the useful features of Galeon 1.2.x or Opera. That’s the UI point of view.

But from the political (correctness) point of view, we have to ask ourself: What sage browser does the open source world still have?

  • Mozilla does not provide security patches, so Firefox, Mozilla (RIP), Epiphany and Galeon are no more acceptable for distribution use.
  • Konqueror has planed to drop KHTML in favor of Mozillas Gecko. So see above.
  • Dillo’s rendering engine is fast but not really state of the art. Same counts for glinks (aka “links -g”).
  • Lynx, links and w3m somehow don’t count since the distributions (and sometimes, me too ;-) primarily need a graphical web browser.

But back to usaility: I heard from quite a few people — even open source people — evaluating or even already using Opera as an alternative, because there is no sage open source web browser, even if you don’t count Mozillas security policy. And I can understand them. If Galeon wouldn’t exist, I probably would be a convinced Opera on Debian user myself, although Opera is closed source. But I and many more can’t live without a working and sage web browser.

The only thing, I don’t like with Opera is that this company seems to be (or at least was a few years ago) very chaotic and uncoordinated. (And I really wonder, how they are able to produce such impressive software.) But that’s another story…

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